There are a few things I'd like to ask about this page:
-"Patrolling soldiers and demonstrators dispersed afterwards, but the first shots of the November insurrections had been fired." What does that first part mean? Soldiers dispersed/arrested the crowd or everyone scattered? Doesn't seem realistic for a mob to disappear like that.
-"Delegations of the sailors traveled to many major cities in Germany, spreading the message of the mutiny." I'm presuming this is a hold over from the article this was copied from, as travel in a less-crumbling state should not be that easy for mutineers.
-"While the insurrection enjoyed massive support among workers and garrison troops, the vast majority of the middle-class showed little to no support. Many stayed inside their homes and waited out the upheveal, hoping for the restoration of order. And even among factory workers..." Article seems to be contradicting itself here- another wikipedia holdover?
-"the majority finally caved to Noskes' offer of a general amnesty in the morning hours of November 7th.
After the victory in Kiel, Ludendorff ordered a general assault on the council-controlled and barricaded city centres during the afternoon of November 6th," Did Kiel surrender on the 6th or 7th?
-"chanting anti-Socialist paroles" Is there a translation error here? What're paroles?
-Lastly, and most drastic and probably unnecessary, could the uprising be moved back to April? The faster Germany launches its blockade-puncturing mission the better, and the uprisings could be timed to Mayday. Or maybe the revolts are spread out through the year with the mutinies happening in the spring and the council uprisings happening in November?
KaiserDevs (talk) 04:01, March 10, 2017 (UTC)KRKavak
"Patrolling soldiers and demonstrators dispersed afterwards, but the first shots of the November insurrections had been fired." What does that first part mean? Soldiers dispersed/arrested the crowd or everyone scattered? Doesn't seem realistic for a mob to disappear like that.
Well, it's what happened in OTL, but I guess I'll have to think up something more realistic :shrug:
-"Delegations of the sailors traveled to many major cities in Germany, spreading the message of the mutiny." I'm presuming this is a hold over from the article this was copied from, as travel in a less-crumbling state should not be that easy for mutineers.
Well, the state isn't really crumbling, and for everyone outside of Kiel the mutineers would just be normal sailors on leave. And again, this is what happened in OTL, but I see your point.
-"While the insurrection enjoyed massive support among workers and garrison troops, the vast majority of the middle-class showed little to no support. Many stayed inside their homes and waited out the upheveal, hoping for the restoration of order. And even among factory workers..." Article seems to be contradicting itself here- another wikipedia holdover?
Where does the article contradict itself? Workers and Soldiers support the uprising, the middle class stays put and waits for it to blow over. Is that how you understood it?
-"the majority finally caved to Noskes' offer of a general amnesty in the morning hours of November 7th.
After the victory in Kiel, Ludendorff ordered a general assault on the council-controlled and barricaded city centres during the afternoon of November 6th," Did Kiel surrender on the 6th or 7th?
Yeah, this was inded a bit of a problem, I'll have to phrase it better. Ludendorff orders the assault on the other cities after the succesful recapturing of most of Kiel, the surrender of the SPD and the arrival of Noske in Kiel. So while the talks are ongoing in Kiel, the rest of the cities are getting overrun, which would most likely make some of the not-so brave mutineers more willing to give in.
-"chanting anti-Socialist paroles" Is there a translation error here? What're paroles?
Huh, my error indeed. A "parole" in German is a slogan.
-Lastly, and most drastic and probably unnecessary, could the uprising be moved back to April? The faster Germany launches its blockade-puncturing mission the better, and the uprisings could be timed to Mayday. Or maybe the revolts are spread out through the year with the mutinies happening in the spring and the council uprisings happening in November?
This does indeed seem pretty drastic und probably unneccessary :P The blockade ongoing until November should not have to many negative consequences for the Germans, seeing as they held out that long OTL, and it would also deprive the other insurrections of their prime motivation for striking now. So no, I don't think this could happen.
Zarasophos (talk) 10:24, March 10, 2017 (UTC) Zarasophos
-I think I'm just misreading it- "Patrolling soldiers dispersed the demonstrators" Is that right?
-Again I'm probably overreacting- they probably sent men who weren't directly part of the mutiny or faded into the crowds.
-It says it has massive support among workers and then it says factory workers are divided.
-Is "After victory was assured in Kiel" good?
-Slogans it is.
-They were barely standing at that point and had tried to get an armistice on October 4th according to the 14 Points, which Britain and France vetoed. The food situation in Germany was horrific, as each part of the food production chain collapsed the next: http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/899/4/the-british-blockade-during-world-war-i-the-weapon-of-deprivation#header4page4 Even German soldiers were on an inadequate diet by 1917.
However, I misunderstood what a punctured blockade could bring. Besides animal feed salvaging the dairy and meat situation, fertilizer would not be strictly banned. This could keep the 1918 harvest from being a total disaster and allow a 1918 breakout. What would the weather be like, though?
KaiserDevs (talk) 01:13, March 11, 2017 (UTC)KRKavak
I'd highly recommend that you guys use four dashes to create lines between comments, as I just did, otherwise talk pages can become miserable to navigate. I'd turn on the comments system but I worry that we'd get randoms leaving messages everywhere.
Flamefang (talk) 01:43, March 11, 2017 (UTC) (writing from his phone ffs)